this is one of the most thought-provoking conversations i have heard in a while. it’s full of new ideas and intelligent ways of understanding reality. so worth a listen if u r interested in the world and ur role in it. host chris lydon says this about his conversation with mahmood mamdani: “i loved this conversation as a short course in how to think like an anthropologist — how to peel back events to find unwritten rules and unseen implications in a social order – africa’s and ours.” listen to the interview here.